1 00:00:10,850 --> 00:00:01,969 this is James Randi and you're listening 2 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:10,860 to the skeptic zone welcome to the 3 00:00:15,510 --> 00:00:13,650 skeptic zone the podcast from Australia 4 00:00:17,580 --> 00:00:15,520 for science and reason 5 00:00:20,500 --> 00:00:17,590 [Music] 6 00:00:26,130 --> 00:00:20,510 [Applause] 7 00:00:28,950 --> 00:00:26,140 [Music] 8 00:00:33,670 --> 00:00:28,960 yes it's the skeptic zone episode number 9 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:33,680 512 for the 12th of August 2018 10 00:00:38,500 --> 00:00:35,330 richardsaunders here with you from 11 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:38,510 Sydney Australia and what a wonderful 12 00:00:45,250 --> 00:00:41,330 week it's been science week kicking off 13 00:00:46,979 --> 00:00:45,260 made on and I were at several functions 14 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:46,989 and events and shows and performances 15 00:00:52,030 --> 00:00:49,730 more news on that coming up a bit later 16 00:00:54,189 --> 00:00:52,040 but to kick off this week's episode of 17 00:00:57,310 --> 00:00:54,199 the skeptic zone I speak to magician and 18 00:01:00,759 --> 00:00:57,320 general practitioner veeam Sharma now 19 00:01:03,759 --> 00:01:00,769 Fiamma is coming up to Sydney to perform 20 00:01:05,259 --> 00:01:03,769 some mentalism we hope and to give a 21 00:01:08,170 --> 00:01:05,269 talk at the Australian skeptics 22 00:01:11,110 --> 00:01:08,180 convention skeptic on 2018 in October 23 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:11,120 more news about that as we chat to dr. 24 00:01:17,050 --> 00:01:14,810 Viren Sharma after that an update an 25 00:01:20,649 --> 00:01:17,060 update to the story of Maryland Bodnar 26 00:01:23,530 --> 00:01:20,659 the naturopath currently serving prison 27 00:01:25,780 --> 00:01:23,540 time for endangering the life of a baby 28 00:01:28,690 --> 00:01:25,790 what's the latest news with this story 29 00:01:30,670 --> 00:01:28,700 coming up a bit later on then it's part 30 00:01:34,150 --> 00:01:30,680 one of our science week reports 31 00:01:36,100 --> 00:01:34,160 Maynard spooky action yeah I may not 32 00:01:38,050 --> 00:01:36,110 know word the launch of Science Week at 33 00:01:41,170 --> 00:01:38,060 the Australian Museum a couple of nights 34 00:01:42,610 --> 00:01:41,180 ago wow what a great time we had running 35 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:42,620 around chatting to all sorts of 36 00:01:48,300 --> 00:01:45,530 scientists and this week Maynard talks 37 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:48,310 with doctor called cruise whiskey part 1 38 00:01:52,510 --> 00:01:50,930 part 1 may not spend so much time with 39 00:01:54,220 --> 00:01:52,520 dr. Karl I'm going to split up the 40 00:01:58,330 --> 00:01:54,230 interview into two parts so part one 41 00:02:02,740 --> 00:01:58,340 this week part two next week and also to 42 00:02:07,290 --> 00:02:02,750 a very funny lady olanta Colley who is a 43 00:02:08,559 --> 00:02:07,300 comedy scientist talking about parasites 44 00:02:10,869 --> 00:02:08,569 yes 45 00:02:13,390 --> 00:02:10,879 there's even humor there and next week 46 00:02:16,119 --> 00:02:13,400 lots more interviews from the launch of 47 00:02:18,640 --> 00:02:16,129 Science Week with Maynard after that 48 00:02:21,130 --> 00:02:18,650 it's news of the bent spoon award and 49 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:21,140 some of the early nominations for this 50 00:02:28,030 --> 00:02:25,610 year's award which is awarded to the 51 00:02:30,729 --> 00:02:28,040 most preposterous piece of paranormal or 52 00:02:32,860 --> 00:02:30,739 pseudo scientific Biffle who will be 53 00:02:35,199 --> 00:02:32,870 this year's unworthy winner we'll find 54 00:02:37,209 --> 00:02:35,209 out at the convention then to round off 55 00:02:37,660 --> 00:02:37,219 the show a little clip a little snippet 56 00:02:39,699 --> 00:02:37,670 or two 57 00:02:41,770 --> 00:02:39,709 from the recent mystery investigators 58 00:02:44,860 --> 00:02:41,780 show the Australian Museum where Maynard 59 00:02:47,920 --> 00:02:44,870 and I performed our science routine with 60 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:47,930 a roomful of enthusiastic schoolkids 61 00:02:53,260 --> 00:02:51,170 always a joy always a pleasure and one 62 00:02:55,510 --> 00:02:53,270 of the highlights of the year and of 63 00:02:57,840 --> 00:02:55,520 course this past week has seen the 64 00:03:02,670 --> 00:02:57,850 birthday of James the amazing Randi 65 00:03:07,300 --> 00:03:02,680 turning 90 but we really only became 66 00:03:10,479 --> 00:03:07,310 friends I guess after he turned 70 when 67 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:10,489 he was about 72 73 or something like 68 00:03:18,220 --> 00:03:12,530 that so I guess we have been friends for 69 00:03:19,930 --> 00:03:18,230 quite a while and well I speak for lots 70 00:03:21,699 --> 00:03:19,940 of people around the world our lives are 71 00:03:24,059 --> 00:03:21,709 different because of the work of James 72 00:03:26,920 --> 00:03:24,069 the amazing Randi that's for sure 73 00:03:29,949 --> 00:03:26,930 so I hope you had a happy birthday mr. 74 00:03:32,259 --> 00:03:29,959 Andy and well I certainly look forward 75 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:32,269 to our next meeting wherever and 76 00:03:37,420 --> 00:03:35,450 whenever that will be but now it's time 77 00:03:39,610 --> 00:03:37,430 for me to run downstairs and I've got it 78 00:03:41,199 --> 00:03:39,620 I'm a bit peckish at the moment my 79 00:03:44,470 --> 00:03:41,209 tastes are all over the place I think 80 00:03:46,750 --> 00:03:44,480 I'll have some white chocolate which I 81 00:03:49,330 --> 00:03:46,760 really like with a glass of champagne 82 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:49,340 and maybe some ice cream after that 83 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:51,410 there's an interesting selection while I 84 00:03:54,330 --> 00:03:53,810 do that I hope you enjoy the skeptic 85 00:04:15,310 --> 00:03:54,340 zone 86 00:04:17,840 --> 00:04:15,320 [Music] 87 00:04:19,759 --> 00:04:17,850 joining me now on the line from 88 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:19,769 Melbourne it's an interesting fellow 89 00:04:28,460 --> 00:04:23,090 folks it's a a combination between a 90 00:04:32,510 --> 00:04:28,470 Mentalist and a GP veeram sharma hello 91 00:04:34,310 --> 00:04:32,520 thank you for having me it's wonderful 92 00:04:36,110 --> 00:04:34,320 to catch up with you and I'm sorry we 93 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:36,120 didn't get a chance to chat last year 94 00:04:39,650 --> 00:04:38,130 and skeptic on here in Sydney and this 95 00:04:41,450 --> 00:04:39,660 year we'll make amends for that you're 96 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:41,460 coming up let's start off with that 97 00:04:46,430 --> 00:04:43,289 although you're a GP and we'll get to 98 00:04:48,409 --> 00:04:46,440 that soon you're I guess you're widely 99 00:04:52,219 --> 00:04:48,419 known in Australia as being a magician 100 00:04:53,950 --> 00:04:52,229 and especially a Mentalist why on earth 101 00:04:56,990 --> 00:04:53,960 did you get into that game 102 00:04:59,600 --> 00:04:57,000 well the way I got into magic was 103 00:05:00,860 --> 00:04:59,610 actually much later than most people I 104 00:05:03,770 --> 00:05:00,870 got into it in first year of medical 105 00:05:07,310 --> 00:05:03,780 school and I think we were away on some 106 00:05:09,740 --> 00:05:07,320 kind of rural visit and a fellow student 107 00:05:11,390 --> 00:05:09,750 just decided to pass the time show some 108 00:05:13,969 --> 00:05:11,400 card tricks and little did I know that 109 00:05:17,570 --> 00:05:13,979 time that this guy was incredibly 110 00:05:20,540 --> 00:05:17,580 skilled at sleight of hand and it was 111 00:05:22,790 --> 00:05:20,550 just one of those those moments in life 112 00:05:26,060 --> 00:05:22,800 that just changed the course of what you 113 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:26,070 do yeah yeah I was just confronted with 114 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:28,490 just the adverse elude impossibility of 115 00:05:34,430 --> 00:05:31,650 him doing these the absolute miracles 116 00:05:35,870 --> 00:05:34,440 were with the deck of cards and it just 117 00:05:37,700 --> 00:05:35,880 led me down this path of wanting to 118 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:37,710 firstly just find out how the hell it 119 00:05:43,939 --> 00:05:41,210 was done that's really all it was um 120 00:05:46,219 --> 00:05:43,949 another way that I was annoyed by not 121 00:05:49,100 --> 00:05:46,229 knowing how it was done but I was just 122 00:05:52,159 --> 00:05:49,110 so incredibly astonished and so just led 123 00:05:54,469 --> 00:05:52,169 me down this path of discovering magic 124 00:05:56,330 --> 00:05:54,479 as a hobby and then ultimately kind of 125 00:05:58,070 --> 00:05:56,340 performing it and then I started to 126 00:06:00,650 --> 00:05:58,080 gravitate a bit towards mentalism 127 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:00,660 because I think a lot of magicians go 128 00:06:04,430 --> 00:06:02,370 through this phase where when you're 129 00:06:06,890 --> 00:06:04,440 starting out you see a lot of magic and 130 00:06:09,810 --> 00:06:06,900 sure things can levitate and appear and 131 00:06:12,510 --> 00:06:09,820 disappear but there's this pretty 132 00:06:14,970 --> 00:06:12,520 a sub-genre of mentalism where people 133 00:06:19,050 --> 00:06:14,980 seem to have kind of powers of the mind 134 00:06:20,940 --> 00:06:19,060 which seems particularly impossible 135 00:06:22,650 --> 00:06:20,950 which doesn't make sense when you think 136 00:06:25,140 --> 00:06:22,660 about it because this shouldn't really 137 00:06:26,580 --> 00:06:25,150 be grades to impossibility there's some 138 00:06:29,010 --> 00:06:26,590 yeah but there's something about 139 00:06:31,530 --> 00:06:29,020 mentalism which is so incredibly 140 00:06:32,990 --> 00:06:31,540 persuasive that really drew me in and I 141 00:06:35,910 --> 00:06:33,000 started to learn a lot of the techniques 142 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:35,920 and then I I really found that I enjoyed 143 00:06:41,310 --> 00:06:39,970 kind of performing it and for some 144 00:06:44,670 --> 00:06:41,320 reason the impact meant performing 145 00:06:46,140 --> 00:06:44,680 mentalism is doubled almost no matter 146 00:06:48,090 --> 00:06:46,150 who you're kind of performing for and so 147 00:06:51,420 --> 00:06:48,100 it's something I've done a lot of III 148 00:06:53,370 --> 00:06:51,430 agree I mean over the years I've come to 149 00:06:55,890 --> 00:06:53,380 understand and appreciate and learn a 150 00:06:57,900 --> 00:06:55,900 lot of magic and mentalism but there is 151 00:06:59,780 --> 00:06:57,910 something about mentalism it's a cut 152 00:07:03,420 --> 00:06:59,790 above I think it's it's a wonderful 153 00:07:05,610 --> 00:07:03,430 branch of the country arts and our good 154 00:07:07,770 --> 00:07:05,620 friend Lawrence lung is also a wonderful 155 00:07:10,380 --> 00:07:07,780 Mentalist he does he does a funny show 156 00:07:12,450 --> 00:07:10,390 too but when we think of magicians and 157 00:07:15,090 --> 00:07:12,460 mentalists we have to mention the 158 00:07:18,180 --> 00:07:15,100 amazing Randi James Randi who just 159 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:18,190 turned 90 by the way I mean happy 160 00:07:25,050 --> 00:07:21,930 birthday James Randi indeed and I've 161 00:07:29,220 --> 00:07:25,060 been in his presence or many times but 162 00:07:31,020 --> 00:07:29,230 when he's does mentalism I mean he does 163 00:07:33,390 --> 00:07:31,030 sleight of hands he doesn't wonderful 164 00:07:35,250 --> 00:07:33,400 card tricks which floors everybody but 165 00:07:36,810 --> 00:07:35,260 then he he'll do a mentalism turn you 166 00:07:38,550 --> 00:07:36,820 know a book trick or a book reading or 167 00:07:40,650 --> 00:07:38,560 something like that and that's where 168 00:07:43,620 --> 00:07:40,660 people really gasped and I think that 169 00:07:46,380 --> 00:07:43,630 that's just a wonderful art form it 170 00:07:49,830 --> 00:07:46,390 really is and you know even before I 171 00:07:52,010 --> 00:07:49,840 started magic I realized I was I seen 172 00:07:56,010 --> 00:07:52,020 some feats of mental as minute past so 173 00:07:57,690 --> 00:07:56,020 as a kid at senior gala bend spoons and 174 00:08:00,230 --> 00:07:57,700 do he's maybe special and everything 175 00:08:03,090 --> 00:08:00,240 that's right and you're right to scoff 176 00:08:05,990 --> 00:08:03,100 yeah and as a I don't know how old I was 177 00:08:08,820 --> 00:08:06,000 maybe 9 or 10 or whatever like it was I 178 00:08:09,990 --> 00:08:08,830 mean it was just absolutely amazing and 179 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:10,000 stunning and I couldn't understand why 180 00:08:14,940 --> 00:08:13,210 everyone wasn't exist with this wanting 181 00:08:17,490 --> 00:08:14,950 to find out exactly how this man has 182 00:08:19,409 --> 00:08:17,500 these amazing powers and then I think at 183 00:08:22,230 --> 00:08:19,419 at I did see James Randi maybe not a 184 00:08:23,540 --> 00:08:22,240 morning TV show just kind of demonstrate 185 00:08:26,030 --> 00:08:23,550 I think it was 186 00:08:27,500 --> 00:08:26,040 spoon bending but instead of with all 187 00:08:30,410 --> 00:08:27,510 the kind of theater he said look yeah 188 00:08:31,460 --> 00:08:30,420 here we go we'll just do it and I can 189 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:31,470 tell you right now it's not done by 190 00:08:36,290 --> 00:08:34,530 magical powers and yeah 15 minutes of me 191 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:36,300 just sitting there with this massive 192 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:38,610 cognitive dissonance is going what what 193 00:08:42,860 --> 00:08:40,650 just happened how so clearly this isn't 194 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:42,870 you know magic or mind powers so to 195 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:45,330 speak and so I really owe a lot to James 196 00:08:49,850 --> 00:08:47,130 Randi in that way - yeah sowing the 197 00:08:53,900 --> 00:08:49,860 seeds of skepticism I think that 198 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:53,910 probably they're probably affected my 199 00:08:57,620 --> 00:08:55,770 journey through magic all right well I 200 00:09:00,530 --> 00:08:57,630 mean this is a story we hear often of 201 00:09:02,420 --> 00:09:00,540 course and if you're listening mr. Andy 202 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:02,430 is all around the world people have been 203 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:04,410 inspired by you and will continue to be 204 00:09:07,940 --> 00:09:06,450 inspired by you Kosovo works and the 205 00:09:10,070 --> 00:09:07,950 writings and the videos and so on and 206 00:09:12,350 --> 00:09:10,080 speaking of videos I've had the chance 207 00:09:14,780 --> 00:09:12,360 to peruse YouTube and folks I'll put a 208 00:09:17,270 --> 00:09:14,790 link up on this week's show notes you 209 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:17,280 are on you have been on many TV shows 210 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:19,410 doing mentalism and magic but you were 211 00:09:24,670 --> 00:09:22,170 on Australia's Got Talent 212 00:09:29,540 --> 00:09:24,680 that must have been a crazy experience 213 00:09:32,270 --> 00:09:29,550 it really was oh man um it feels like a 214 00:09:35,740 --> 00:09:32,280 completely different lifetime just 215 00:09:39,680 --> 00:09:35,750 because the TV environment is so 216 00:09:42,380 --> 00:09:39,690 different to reality it's yeah yeah it 217 00:09:45,830 --> 00:09:42,390 was um the way kind of went down was so 218 00:09:48,050 --> 00:09:45,840 I perform either solo or as part of a 219 00:09:51,170 --> 00:09:48,060 trio with this group called gentlemen of 220 00:09:53,740 --> 00:09:51,180 deceit yeah we'd be doing our Melbourne 221 00:09:56,570 --> 00:09:53,750 Comedy Festival for several years and 222 00:09:58,280 --> 00:09:56,580 then Australia's Got Talent you know and 223 00:10:00,020 --> 00:09:58,290 in a matter has been kind of fell into 224 00:10:01,850 --> 00:10:00,030 our lap and we didn't really think it 225 00:10:04,220 --> 00:10:01,860 was going to go anywhere we we just were 226 00:10:07,100 --> 00:10:04,230 going to do our initial audition act and 227 00:10:09,860 --> 00:10:07,110 see how we go turns out that went really 228 00:10:12,170 --> 00:10:09,870 well the clip went viral and so we 229 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:12,180 advanced to the the semi files and then 230 00:10:18,380 --> 00:10:16,170 the grand finals which was an absolutely 231 00:10:21,560 --> 00:10:18,390 amazing experience in terms of laying 232 00:10:22,970 --> 00:10:21,570 out via the the rail tracks as that as a 233 00:10:25,370 --> 00:10:22,980 trains kind of moving in front of you 234 00:10:27,680 --> 00:10:25,380 coming up with these new and new amazing 235 00:10:30,730 --> 00:10:27,690 and more and more impressive acts so it 236 00:10:32,900 --> 00:10:30,740 was it was a period of my life where I'd 237 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:32,910 medicine really did take the backseat 238 00:10:36,740 --> 00:10:35,730 and for that whatever it was year 18 239 00:10:40,130 --> 00:10:36,750 months or still 240 00:10:42,290 --> 00:10:40,140 working in drips and drabs but yeah that 241 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:42,300 was basically the life of a foreman 242 00:10:46,180 --> 00:10:43,890 trying to I guess build that part of my 243 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:46,190 career wild wild time 244 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:49,530 what a strange mix of professions really 245 00:10:53,870 --> 00:10:51,810 and and I enjoyed watching your other 246 00:10:56,420 --> 00:10:53,880 appearances on things like studio 10 247 00:10:58,130 --> 00:10:56,430 live the morning chat show were you 248 00:11:00,350 --> 00:10:58,140 doing wonderful little bits of mentalism 249 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:00,360 and other magic tricks and yes you'll be 250 00:11:07,010 --> 00:11:02,490 appearing at skeptic on 2018 here in 251 00:11:11,030 --> 00:11:07,020 Sydney in October and I see your talk is 252 00:11:13,550 --> 00:11:11,040 entitled what doctors don't know what 253 00:11:21,350 --> 00:11:13,560 what what is it the doctors don't know 254 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:21,360 um I hate to say but a lot it's it's 255 00:11:24,020 --> 00:11:22,770 obviously is you can sense the topic 256 00:11:25,610 --> 00:11:24,030 that's close to my heart but 257 00:11:29,630 --> 00:11:25,620 particularly the general practitioner 258 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:29,640 the specialty of general practices you 259 00:11:34,730 --> 00:11:32,250 know the art of having no specialty so 260 00:11:37,790 --> 00:11:34,740 by definition of being a generalist you 261 00:11:41,530 --> 00:11:37,800 don't know and it's something I'm very 262 00:11:43,850 --> 00:11:41,540 now becoming increasingly familiar where 263 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:43,860 comfortable being in a state of kind of 264 00:11:48,340 --> 00:11:46,530 not knowing but finding out but it's 265 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:48,350 something that that's really struck me 266 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:51,930 as it's very prescient when worth 267 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:54,930 discussing I think we've hit that kind 268 00:11:58,070 --> 00:11:56,490 of inflection point in the curve in 269 00:12:00,050 --> 00:11:58,080 terms of people's expectations from 270 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:00,060 doctors we've gone through that 271 00:12:03,740 --> 00:12:02,130 incredibly paternalistic period of the 272 00:12:05,990 --> 00:12:03,750 doctor knows best and doctors know 273 00:12:08,690 --> 00:12:06,000 because they've had the training etc - 274 00:12:12,530 --> 00:12:08,700 now everyone having in their pockets a 275 00:12:15,710 --> 00:12:12,540 device that in access just so much more 276 00:12:16,820 --> 00:12:15,720 information than a doctor could know and 277 00:12:19,190 --> 00:12:16,830 particularly when it comes to say 278 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:19,200 something like general practice in terms 279 00:12:26,090 --> 00:12:23,730 of rare diseases our level of knowledge 280 00:12:28,370 --> 00:12:26,100 is quite limited our judgement actual 281 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:28,380 ease might be very very good which is 282 00:12:33,170 --> 00:12:29,490 probably the more important relevant 283 00:12:36,350 --> 00:12:33,180 thing a lot of the time but it's it 284 00:12:39,740 --> 00:12:36,360 really made me think more deeply about 285 00:12:41,390 --> 00:12:39,750 what what not knowing as a doctor really 286 00:12:43,730 --> 00:12:41,400 is about so well I don't want to give 287 00:12:45,500 --> 00:12:43,740 too much away I'm gonna be touching on a 288 00:12:49,220 --> 00:12:45,510 few themes I'm going to be touching on 289 00:12:50,690 --> 00:12:49,230 the fact that that a lot of what doctors 290 00:12:52,190 --> 00:12:50,700 know 291 00:12:54,350 --> 00:12:52,200 how can become kind of out of date or 292 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:54,360 wrong as time kind of goes on there's 293 00:12:58,340 --> 00:12:55,890 that famous quote we're all told when we 294 00:13:00,320 --> 00:12:58,350 go to first date date medical school 295 00:13:02,050 --> 00:13:00,330 which is that you know in five to ten 296 00:13:04,790 --> 00:13:02,060 years time after you finish your 297 00:13:07,070 --> 00:13:04,800 specialist training in half of what you 298 00:13:08,990 --> 00:13:07,080 know will be out of date the problem is 299 00:13:10,790 --> 00:13:09,000 we don't know which half and you know 300 00:13:13,430 --> 00:13:10,800 and things some things just chair to be 301 00:13:16,100 --> 00:13:13,440 going to flat out wrong so to speak so 302 00:13:19,310 --> 00:13:16,110 which is always very interesting there's 303 00:13:22,610 --> 00:13:19,320 also things I think about Health 304 00:13:25,070 --> 00:13:22,620 Sciences where perhaps there is an 305 00:13:26,750 --> 00:13:25,080 expectation quite a reasonable one for 306 00:13:28,820 --> 00:13:26,760 doctors to know what the right answer is 307 00:13:31,070 --> 00:13:28,830 well I think some of the times we might 308 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:31,080 never actually know precisely what the 309 00:13:36,770 --> 00:13:33,450 right answer is the doctors may not know 310 00:13:39,770 --> 00:13:36,780 is good or bad for you and you know 311 00:13:42,500 --> 00:13:39,780 which diet is you know better for for 312 00:13:47,420 --> 00:13:42,510 longer living etc there's there's a lot 313 00:13:49,940 --> 00:13:47,430 of diet sciences is a really good area 314 00:13:53,180 --> 00:13:49,950 for demonstrating kind of limits of our 315 00:13:55,130 --> 00:13:53,190 knowledge sometimes and and how fats can 316 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:55,140 can change you're so incredibly kind of 317 00:13:57,830 --> 00:13:57,090 rapidly so yeah those are the kind of 318 00:13:59,840 --> 00:13:57,840 things that I'm going to be touching 319 00:14:01,790 --> 00:13:59,850 upon in this talk wow that sounds 320 00:14:03,260 --> 00:14:01,800 fascinating folks if you're in Sydney I 321 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:03,270 encourage you to come along to the 322 00:14:07,700 --> 00:14:05,370 conference anyway but if you can't make 323 00:14:10,010 --> 00:14:07,710 it or you're coming anyway why don't you 324 00:14:11,930 --> 00:14:10,020 have a chat to your local GP let them 325 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:11,940 know this conference is on and we're 326 00:14:15,380 --> 00:14:13,650 going to have such fabulous speakers 327 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:15,390 talking about these topics that might 328 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:17,610 interest them very much I mean dr. Brad 329 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:20,610 McCoy will also be there and we have 330 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:22,890 other medical professionals come along 331 00:14:26,150 --> 00:14:24,570 as well it sounds like it's gonna be a 332 00:14:30,850 --> 00:14:26,160 great talk are you gonna do any 333 00:14:34,310 --> 00:14:30,860 mentalism along the way absolutely yeah 334 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:34,320 I'm realizing increasingly in terms of 335 00:14:38,300 --> 00:14:35,970 my involvement in the skeptic circle I 336 00:14:42,290 --> 00:14:38,310 think I'm just I think people just want 337 00:14:46,060 --> 00:14:42,300 to see some good magic tricks I don't 338 00:14:49,670 --> 00:14:48,140 have their minds blown and I'm happy to 339 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:49,680 do that but I always always look kind of 340 00:14:53,750 --> 00:14:51,690 like doing that in the context of the 341 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:53,760 talk and so you know you look for 342 00:14:59,990 --> 00:14:56,610 example last year I I was talking about 343 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:00,000 kind of the the limits of human beliefs 344 00:15:04,610 --> 00:15:01,290 and what it takes to kind of persuade 345 00:15:06,950 --> 00:15:04,620 people and I did a demonstration we 346 00:15:09,050 --> 00:15:06,960 voodoo doll which you know has its roots 347 00:15:12,410 --> 00:15:09,060 in a form of alternative medicine people 348 00:15:14,690 --> 00:15:12,420 thought it really had some sort of 349 00:15:17,330 --> 00:15:14,700 health benefits like a health 350 00:15:20,030 --> 00:15:17,340 methodology kind of behind it and I do 351 00:15:22,070 --> 00:15:20,040 this fairly kind of ludicrous and kind 352 00:15:26,060 --> 00:15:22,080 of comedic demonstration with a voodoo 353 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:26,070 doll and yet no the the its effect so to 354 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:28,290 speak it's it's magic ality is just so 355 00:15:32,780 --> 00:15:30,330 impossible and undeniable and it really 356 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:32,790 makes Mike Sisco all you know what I'm 357 00:15:36,770 --> 00:15:34,170 telling you it's faking it so persuasive 358 00:15:38,810 --> 00:15:36,780 just imagine how persuasive it is when 359 00:15:40,190 --> 00:15:38,820 someone tells you it's real so I'll 360 00:15:43,220 --> 00:15:40,200 definitely find some way to crow 361 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:43,230 Berenson don't worry about that well I 362 00:15:47,900 --> 00:15:45,090 said I certainly hope so now I'm looking 363 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:47,910 forward to your talk very much the topic 364 00:15:52,670 --> 00:15:50,370 is absolutely fascinating it ties so 365 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:52,680 well in with general skepticism and and 366 00:15:56,870 --> 00:15:55,290 mentalism to folks there's the clue 367 00:15:58,790 --> 00:15:56,880 there's the message and there's the word 368 00:16:01,970 --> 00:15:58,800 if you want to see a very interesting 369 00:16:04,490 --> 00:16:01,980 talk amongst many book your tickets now 370 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:04,500 for the convention and we look very much 371 00:16:09,500 --> 00:16:06,410 forward to hearing the talk by dr. 372 00:16:12,250 --> 00:16:09,510 theorem Shama so for now theorem thank 373 00:16:27,579 --> 00:16:12,260 you very much thank you 374 00:16:30,889 --> 00:16:27,589 [Music] 375 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:30,899 hi I'm Yvette Tantra ma aka Sai babe and 376 00:16:36,470 --> 00:16:33,330 I debunk bad science for a living this 377 00:16:38,060 --> 00:16:36,480 includes health nutrition and general BS 378 00:16:39,740 --> 00:16:38,070 on the internet and I'm looking forward 379 00:16:55,970 --> 00:16:39,750 to seeing you all at skeptic on on 380 00:16:57,769 --> 00:16:55,980 Australia this October now here's an 381 00:17:00,560 --> 00:16:57,779 update to a story we brought you some 382 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:00,570 weeks ago about the naturopath currently 383 00:17:05,890 --> 00:17:03,570 serving a prison term for endangering 384 00:17:08,390 --> 00:17:05,900 the life of an eight month old baby 385 00:17:10,549 --> 00:17:08,400 this story comes to us from the 386 00:17:13,699 --> 00:17:10,559 Australian skeptics website skeptics 387 00:17:16,699 --> 00:17:13,709 kaamdar au published on the 3rd of 388 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:16,709 August by Tim Mendham naturopath banned 389 00:17:23,980 --> 00:17:19,290 for life following baby's near-death 390 00:17:28,100 --> 00:17:23,990 [Music] 391 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:28,110 Marilyn bandha and quote extreme diet in 392 00:17:33,230 --> 00:17:30,450 quote naturopath who was acquitted of 393 00:17:35,690 --> 00:17:33,240 manslaughter charges in 1987 when one of 394 00:17:38,450 --> 00:17:35,700 her clients starved themselves to death 395 00:17:41,060 --> 00:17:38,460 on a water only diet has now been banned 396 00:17:43,730 --> 00:17:41,070 for life from quote providing any health 397 00:17:46,310 --> 00:17:43,740 service in any capacity either paid or 398 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:46,320 voluntary end quote the permanent 399 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:48,090 prohibition order by the New South Wales 400 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:50,250 health care Complaints Commission 401 00:17:55,490 --> 00:17:52,770 follows Bodnar's conviction in April 402 00:17:58,820 --> 00:17:55,500 with a 14 month jail sentence for 403 00:17:59,450 --> 00:17:58,830 advising in 2015 that the mother of an 8 404 00:18:02,180 --> 00:17:59,460 month 405 00:18:04,340 --> 00:18:02,190 infant to cease eating anything other 406 00:18:07,430 --> 00:18:04,350 than raw vegetables fruits and seeds to 407 00:18:10,340 --> 00:18:07,440 cure her babies sons eggs ma when the 408 00:18:12,500 --> 00:18:10,350 boy began a week-long bout of vomiting 409 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:12,510 Bodnar apparently told the mother to 410 00:18:17,060 --> 00:18:14,610 feed him some goat's milk but the boy 411 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:17,070 vomited up that as well Bodnar is 412 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:18,570 alleged to have told the boy's mother 413 00:18:24,350 --> 00:18:21,450 that vomiting is good because it purged 414 00:18:26,690 --> 00:18:24,360 quote the toxins that cause eczema in 415 00:18:27,860 --> 00:18:26,700 quote the mother finally took the child 416 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:27,870 to hospital where 417 00:18:33,350 --> 00:18:30,690 found he was only days away from death 418 00:18:36,350 --> 00:18:33,360 and may have suffered severe 419 00:18:39,110 --> 00:18:36,360 developmental issues Bodnar was 420 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:39,120 sentenced to a minimum at months jail at 421 00:18:42,890 --> 00:18:40,890 this time they stopped the Australian 422 00:18:45,290 --> 00:18:42,900 vaccination network organization 423 00:18:47,570 --> 00:18:45,300 submitted a complaint to the healthcare 424 00:18:49,690 --> 00:18:47,580 Complaints Commission following Bodnar's 425 00:18:53,140 --> 00:18:49,700 promise during the sentencing hearing 426 00:18:56,420 --> 00:18:53,150 not to treat children in the future 427 00:18:59,630 --> 00:18:56,430 Ken MacLeod co-founder of SAV n said 428 00:19:02,570 --> 00:18:59,640 quote the H Triple C was probably going 429 00:19:04,850 --> 00:19:02,580 to investigate anyway and they had much 430 00:19:07,580 --> 00:19:04,860 help from the New South Wales police the 431 00:19:09,830 --> 00:19:07,590 prohibition order is a harrowing reading 432 00:19:13,669 --> 00:19:09,840 when it gets to the suffering of the 433 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:13,679 poor child so be warned and quote but he 434 00:19:18,919 --> 00:19:16,410 asks why the H Triple C did not impose a 435 00:19:21,140 --> 00:19:18,929 prohibition order after the first death 436 00:19:23,390 --> 00:19:21,150 quote the Commission is to be 437 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:23,400 congratulated here for their response to 438 00:19:28,190 --> 00:19:25,770 the danger to the health and safety of 439 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:28,200 the New South Wales public but we wonder 440 00:19:33,530 --> 00:19:30,450 why it takes the near death of a child 441 00:19:36,260 --> 00:19:33,540 to initiate action there are thousands 442 00:19:38,780 --> 00:19:36,270 of life threatening cranks treating the 443 00:19:41,030 --> 00:19:38,790 gullible all over Australia and very 444 00:19:43,610 --> 00:19:41,040 fewer challenged by the health safety 445 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:43,620 investigators actually we do know why 446 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:45,690 health investigators such as the H 447 00:19:50,120 --> 00:19:47,970 Triple C are starved of resources and 448 00:19:57,140 --> 00:19:50,130 finance so if you want this to change 449 00:19:59,060 --> 00:19:57,150 see your MP and quote the full report 450 00:20:01,220 --> 00:19:59,070 from a cloud will appear in this 451 00:20:03,140 --> 00:20:01,230 September issue of the skeptic magazine 452 00:20:05,660 --> 00:20:03,150 The Journal from Australian skeptics 453 00:20:08,299 --> 00:20:05,670 that report comes to us from Tim Mendham 454 00:20:10,540 --> 00:20:08,309 published on the 3rd of August 2018 and 455 00:20:13,730 --> 00:20:10,550 you can read that at skeptics calm 456 00:20:15,799 --> 00:20:13,740 dot-eu and as ever we will bring you up 457 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:15,809 to date with any further developments on 458 00:20:30,660 --> 00:20:17,010 this story 459 00:20:35,230 --> 00:20:33,880 hey svenska skeptical the vet vet at 460 00:20:37,870 --> 00:20:35,240 veteran scope for billing in the 461 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:37,880 bathroom hangar of the sceptic zone as 462 00:20:43,450 --> 00:20:40,730 an ox or a fearful dog pop science quiz 463 00:20:46,030 --> 00:20:43,460 or skeptical Kevin Thomas Valley Quinn 464 00:20:48,550 --> 00:20:46,040 pave very primitive often TSA thought 465 00:20:51,130 --> 00:20:48,560 spawning vuvuzela kallu call for any 466 00:20:52,660 --> 00:20:51,140 hunter Malanda tagong warmly Bruins 467 00:20:55,570 --> 00:20:52,670 thought that on the thinnest non-local 468 00:20:59,950 --> 00:20:55,580 training boffin to start time 12 your 469 00:21:02,470 --> 00:20:59,960 pata made a ilmu hello all skeptics in 470 00:21:04,810 --> 00:21:02,480 Sweden I'm sure you already know that 471 00:21:06,790 --> 00:21:04,820 the Swedish skeptics Association not 472 00:21:09,460 --> 00:21:06,800 only is a big fan of the skeptic zone 473 00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:09,470 but that we also organize lectures pop 474 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:11,600 science quiz and skeptics in the pub all 475 00:21:20,380 --> 00:21:18,290 over the country go to WWE UFC to see 476 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:20,390 what our seven local chapters are up to 477 00:21:24,970 --> 00:21:22,610 and if you live in a place where there 478 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:24,980 is no local chapter why not stop on 479 00:21:35,890 --> 00:21:25,610 yourself 480 00:21:47,630 --> 00:21:41,060 here's Maynard spooky action at the 481 00:21:48,919 --> 00:21:47,640 distance hey everybody everyone's pretty 482 00:21:51,470 --> 00:21:48,929 excited here I'm in a room full of 483 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:51,480 excited people at Pierce training museum 484 00:21:55,340 --> 00:21:53,610 because it's science week all over the 485 00:21:56,780 --> 00:21:55,350 world and it's even Science Week locally 486 00:21:57,860 --> 00:21:56,790 here as well in fact there's finger food 487 00:22:00,680 --> 00:21:57,870 going around thank you 488 00:22:01,820 --> 00:22:00,690 how's the finger food been going it's 489 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:01,830 going great 490 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:03,690 thank you yep see everyone's excited 491 00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:06,450 about finger food sorry my mouth is full 492 00:22:10,250 --> 00:22:08,640 of finger food yeah people that tend to 493 00:22:12,730 --> 00:22:10,260 not get so excited about elbow food 494 00:22:16,190 --> 00:22:12,740 elbow food just doesn't work at a party 495 00:22:17,990 --> 00:22:16,200 as I look around the room I see dozens 496 00:22:20,180 --> 00:22:18,000 and dozens of people that have been 497 00:22:21,470 --> 00:22:20,190 university longer than me and as we know 498 00:22:23,060 --> 00:22:21,480 I was just there for the day and it was 499 00:22:25,340 --> 00:22:23,070 mainly at the bar at Newcastle 500 00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:25,350 but science week too big deal this is 501 00:22:29,900 --> 00:22:27,360 where we try and get a bit of attention 502 00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:29,910 to science and go oh well hang on who 503 00:22:32,360 --> 00:22:30,960 some people know what they're talking 504 00:22:34,610 --> 00:22:32,370 about these are these so-called experts 505 00:22:37,100 --> 00:22:34,620 give them a bit of respect and see how 506 00:22:38,270 --> 00:22:37,110 it goes and as you know every science 507 00:22:39,860 --> 00:22:38,280 week I try and bring a little bit of 508 00:22:42,340 --> 00:22:39,870 something of myself that I only 509 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:42,350 partially know into the conversation and 510 00:22:49,130 --> 00:22:45,530 tonight yes the word is epigenetics 511 00:22:50,540 --> 00:22:49,140 Richard epigenetics is that like in 512 00:22:52,100 --> 00:22:50,550 Scrabble you get a lot of points for 513 00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:52,110 that word I guess that's right 514 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:54,000 epigenetics and it's not to be confused 515 00:22:56,780 --> 00:22:55,410 with the pin you give to people if 516 00:23:00,830 --> 00:22:56,790 they've got analogy nothing to do that 517 00:23:03,740 --> 00:23:00,840 either epigenetics is a inheritable 518 00:23:06,740 --> 00:23:03,750 trait that is not involved with changing 519 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:06,750 the DNA sequence so it's a whether the 520 00:23:11,810 --> 00:23:09,450 DNA expresses itself or not oh dear 521 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:11,820 there's someone singing you know you 522 00:23:14,419 --> 00:23:13,290 know when you go to a pub and then you 523 00:23:17,299 --> 00:23:14,429 have your really good time and then 524 00:23:20,360 --> 00:23:17,309 someone starts singing on a no just 525 00:23:21,860 --> 00:23:20,370 someone singing it's you know 526 00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:21,870 [Music] 527 00:23:26,930 --> 00:23:24,370 well there goes the conversation well 528 00:23:29,310 --> 00:23:26,940 particularly is that well I mean 529 00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:29,320 everyone knows that scientists are hot 530 00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:30,880 for the track easy like Sunday morning 531 00:23:35,220 --> 00:23:33,370 that is the track every everyone just 532 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:35,230 loves that Lionel Lionel Richie I mean 533 00:23:39,090 --> 00:23:37,330 well you know it's not really a launch 534 00:23:42,990 --> 00:23:39,100 of anything unless some Lionel Richie's 535 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:43,000 playing and if besides the scientists 536 00:23:47,970 --> 00:23:45,370 may finally hit decide may answer that 537 00:23:50,190 --> 00:23:47,980 question what is as easy as Sunday 538 00:23:51,810 --> 00:23:50,200 morning it's a bit like pi really no 539 00:23:53,549 --> 00:23:51,820 one's actually quite got all the digits 540 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:53,559 worked out just how easy is Sunday 541 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:55,090 morning Sunday mornings aren't easy 542 00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:56,530 because that's what I'm doing the 543 00:24:00,060 --> 00:23:58,210 finishing touch and touches to the 544 00:24:01,770 --> 00:24:00,070 skeptic zone not to say there you go you 545 00:24:04,020 --> 00:24:01,780 could be the exception of proves the 546 00:24:05,610 --> 00:24:04,030 rule so but I will be asking people that 547 00:24:07,140 --> 00:24:05,620 but yes epigenetics is what we're going 548 00:24:08,669 --> 00:24:07,150 to be talking about let's just see if 549 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:08,679 this is a real thing or something I just 550 00:24:12,930 --> 00:24:10,890 read in the paper and thought was a real 551 00:24:14,850 --> 00:24:12,940 look around the room I can see we've got 552 00:24:17,130 --> 00:24:14,860 dr. Jody Rowley who is the Frog 553 00:24:18,060 --> 00:24:17,140 specialist here from the Australian ISM 554 00:24:19,649 --> 00:24:18,070 with dr. Karl 555 00:24:21,539 --> 00:24:19,659 dr. Karl's there I saw him with a 556 00:24:22,529 --> 00:24:21,549 Buddhist monk on Instagram to save the 557 00:24:25,649 --> 00:24:22,539 day he's worth following on Instagram 558 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:25,659 dr. Karl and I looked a lot of people 559 00:24:28,500 --> 00:24:26,890 the drinks are holding out it's always 560 00:24:29,549 --> 00:24:28,510 the strength of an evening as to how 561 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:29,559 long the drinks hold out for the 562 00:24:33,210 --> 00:24:31,450 catering Richard is know it is and the 563 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:33,220 drinks are truly holding up but we are 564 00:24:37,529 --> 00:24:34,890 in a room here at the Australian Museum 565 00:24:40,380 --> 00:24:37,539 filled to the brim with scientists it's 566 00:24:42,510 --> 00:24:40,390 an an incredible sight it really is yep 567 00:24:43,590 --> 00:24:42,520 hello now we're talking now we're 568 00:24:46,620 --> 00:24:43,600 talking a little bit of my wheelhouse 569 00:24:48,779 --> 00:24:46,630 here who've we got here hi Chloe and 570 00:24:50,220 --> 00:24:48,789 you've been looking at the relationship 571 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:50,230 between comedy and science is that 572 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:52,570 because you can do both attempt to do 573 00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:54,730 both and achieve neither but yeah I'm a 574 00:24:59,700 --> 00:24:56,320 science communicator and comedian doing 575 00:25:01,440 --> 00:24:59,710 a show at the Science Festival so what 576 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:01,450 do you what routine you what area of 577 00:25:04,500 --> 00:25:02,890 science are you working with I imagine 578 00:25:06,090 --> 00:25:04,510 psychology to be a good one it would be 579 00:25:07,500 --> 00:25:06,100 a good one and not so much I'm actually 580 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:07,510 doing a show on pair it's called 581 00:25:12,419 --> 00:25:10,210 parasites lost it's all about the 582 00:25:13,799 --> 00:25:12,429 parasites that I've contracted during my 583 00:25:14,190 --> 00:25:13,809 work in health education around the 584 00:25:16,260 --> 00:25:14,200 world 585 00:25:17,669 --> 00:25:16,270 oh so it's based on personal experience 586 00:25:19,710 --> 00:25:17,679 it's based on personal experience 587 00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:19,720 there's every good comedy show can 588 00:25:23,310 --> 00:25:21,760 should and should be exactly you 589 00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:23,320 basically you take it and you inflate it 590 00:25:26,669 --> 00:25:25,120 a little bit now what is the best part 591 00:25:28,169 --> 00:25:26,679 of the routine because also one thing 592 00:25:28,530 --> 00:25:28,179 you should always do and for the 593 00:25:30,060 --> 00:25:28,540 listener 594 00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:30,070 home when you're interviewing a comic 595 00:25:33,810 --> 00:25:32,320 never ever ask them to do a piece of 596 00:25:35,700 --> 00:25:33,820 their routine because it's designed to 597 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:35,710 be performed in front of an audience not 598 00:25:39,210 --> 00:25:37,690 to a microphone with no audience so 599 00:25:41,250 --> 00:25:39,220 we're not going to ask for any of the 600 00:25:43,230 --> 00:25:41,260 actual routine what we do is we ask 601 00:25:46,260 --> 00:25:43,240 about what parts of the routine do you 602 00:25:48,570 --> 00:25:46,270 like I'll tell you that my favorite 603 00:25:50,580 --> 00:25:48,580 Billy the entire show is after the show 604 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:50,590 every single time I've done the show 605 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:52,450 I've had people with their own personal 606 00:25:56,970 --> 00:25:54,610 parasite experiences who come up and 607 00:25:59,010 --> 00:25:56,980 tell me about it and there's one 608 00:26:02,130 --> 00:25:59,020 particular parasite that I contracted 609 00:26:03,780 --> 00:26:02,140 called blastocyst as hominis which I met 610 00:26:06,210 --> 00:26:03,790 maybe nine people throughout the run of 611 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:06,220 my show who also had it and can't get 612 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:07,570 rid of it so there kind of comes when I 613 00:26:11,130 --> 00:26:08,890 show me like how did you get rid of it 614 00:26:12,690 --> 00:26:11,140 and I have no answers for them but I 615 00:26:14,310 --> 00:26:12,700 have connected them to other people with 616 00:26:15,660 --> 00:26:14,320 the same parasite so I can continue have 617 00:26:17,340 --> 00:26:15,670 people coming up to you and showing you 618 00:26:19,980 --> 00:26:17,350 their rash and going what I reckon this 619 00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:19,990 is like have you read this one it's only 620 00:26:23,010 --> 00:26:22,000 being stories so far but I'm sure the 621 00:26:25,290 --> 00:26:23,020 rash is yet to come 622 00:26:27,870 --> 00:26:25,300 so how did you get these were you ad in 623 00:26:29,250 --> 00:26:27,880 the field yeah I was working in I've 624 00:26:32,490 --> 00:26:29,260 been working around the world in Uganda 625 00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:32,500 in Kenya and Cambodia and East Timor in 626 00:26:37,140 --> 00:26:34,480 health education so I'm very bad at my 627 00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:37,150 job essentially so what is your advice 628 00:26:41,370 --> 00:26:39,760 for people who maybe go to Bali and have 629 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:41,380 a bit of barley belly because that would 630 00:26:44,850 --> 00:26:42,850 be just a dream for you that would be an 631 00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:44,860 easy thing to solve well what's the best 632 00:26:47,940 --> 00:26:45,760 thing to do is there something you 633 00:26:49,590 --> 00:26:47,950 should take rest and fluids like like 634 00:26:51,030 --> 00:26:49,600 most things most things will work their 635 00:26:53,460 --> 00:26:51,040 way through your system in three to five 636 00:26:54,420 --> 00:26:53,470 days but if it persists the longer than 637 00:26:56,100 --> 00:26:54,430 that you should see a doctor 638 00:26:57,870 --> 00:26:56,110 look I had something happen in Bali and 639 00:26:59,700 --> 00:26:57,880 I suspect I got it from I think it's a 640 00:27:01,080 --> 00:26:59,710 George the great gorilla that's in the 641 00:27:03,210 --> 00:27:01,090 cage there because he threw a banana 642 00:27:04,500 --> 00:27:03,220 peel it mean he's loved it all over and 643 00:27:06,330 --> 00:27:04,510 I picked it up and threw it back at the 644 00:27:07,950 --> 00:27:06,340 gorilla and I think I might have got 645 00:27:11,100 --> 00:27:07,960 some of that gorilla slobbery into me 646 00:27:13,290 --> 00:27:11,110 because I was really ill for five or six 647 00:27:16,620 --> 00:27:13,300 days this Indonesian doctor came and 648 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:16,630 gave me these big size horse pills and I 649 00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:18,010 kept the box and brought them back to 650 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:19,360 Australia to people who could speak 651 00:27:23,820 --> 00:27:21,730 Indonesian and read Indonesian they have 652 00:27:25,230 --> 00:27:23,830 no idea what those tablets were I can 653 00:27:26,790 --> 00:27:25,240 only assume that they're very powerful 654 00:27:28,970 --> 00:27:26,800 antibiotics that are illegal even in the 655 00:27:30,980 --> 00:27:28,980 Eastern Bloc 656 00:27:32,419 --> 00:27:30,990 hands-on all sorts of things in 657 00:27:34,430 --> 00:27:32,429 developing country you can get efferent 658 00:27:36,649 --> 00:27:34,440 and you can get straight Eliza's all 659 00:27:38,810 --> 00:27:36,659 sorts of things over-the-counter yeah so 660 00:27:41,330 --> 00:27:38,820 well that's why you do it obviously yeah 661 00:27:43,009 --> 00:27:41,340 I mean there's a lot of logic in getting 662 00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:43,019 treated for an illness in the place that 663 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:45,600 you contract the illness so when I got 664 00:27:48,980 --> 00:27:47,610 malaria and you get a half my family was 665 00:27:51,500 --> 00:27:48,990 like get on a plane come home straight 666 00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:51,510 away but it would have been a chaos to 667 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:52,769 actually get treated for malaria in 668 00:27:56,629 --> 00:27:54,330 Australia because doctors don't have 669 00:27:57,259 --> 00:27:56,639 experience treating it so if you can 670 00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:57,269 check something 671 00:28:00,259 --> 00:27:58,799 infectious it's good to get treated for 672 00:28:01,490 --> 00:28:00,269 it in the area where you can tract it 673 00:28:03,139 --> 00:28:01,500 and after that goes have you had any 674 00:28:04,159 --> 00:28:03,149 ongoing symptoms from malaria because 675 00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:04,169 that can hang around for a very long 676 00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:04,559 time 677 00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:06,720 it used to there was one strain of 678 00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:09,600 malaria called Plasmodium vivax that 679 00:28:12,980 --> 00:28:11,370 used to not be treatable but it's 680 00:28:14,299 --> 00:28:12,990 treatable now so there's there's much 681 00:28:16,610 --> 00:28:14,309 better treatments familiar than they 682 00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:16,620 used to me all right hold this oh good 683 00:28:20,269 --> 00:28:18,720 where can we find you online to have a 684 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:20,279 look at some of your routine and steal 685 00:28:24,649 --> 00:28:21,570 it and take it down the pub and do it on 686 00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:24,659 ever tonight well you can't if you want 687 00:28:27,950 --> 00:28:26,370 to come and see the show you can check 688 00:28:30,649 --> 00:28:27,960 out the Sydney Science Festival website 689 00:28:34,039 --> 00:28:30,659 and type in parasites lost and I'm at 690 00:28:35,509 --> 00:28:34,049 their UNSW Museum of human disease on 691 00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:35,519 the 9th and 10th and then the factory 692 00:28:38,750 --> 00:28:37,200 theatre the 11th on 12th of August and 693 00:28:40,610 --> 00:28:38,760 how difficult is it actually a 694 00:28:43,159 --> 00:28:40,620 family-friendly show it is a 695 00:28:45,649 --> 00:28:43,169 family-friendly show the only blue 696 00:28:47,629 --> 00:28:45,659 subjects talking about the the secret 697 00:28:49,370 --> 00:28:47,639 sex life of parasites as long as you're 698 00:28:51,649 --> 00:28:49,380 okay which I think all children should 699 00:28:53,210 --> 00:28:51,659 learn about at some point anyway so yes 700 00:28:54,740 --> 00:28:53,220 I think this is great I really like the 701 00:28:55,970 --> 00:28:54,750 idea that you're doing routines about 702 00:28:57,740 --> 00:28:55,980 your work it's great you think you've 703 00:29:00,350 --> 00:28:57,750 got a few more routines in there maybe 704 00:29:02,210 --> 00:29:00,360 maybe over this this year I did a show 705 00:29:04,460 --> 00:29:02,220 about my bees I'm also a beekeeper so 706 00:29:07,340 --> 00:29:04,470 it's called days of our hives oh wow 707 00:29:10,399 --> 00:29:07,350 right fantastic all over the shop so who 708 00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:10,409 do you blame for the declining bee 709 00:29:14,810 --> 00:29:12,510 population is it a pesticide thing or 710 00:29:16,399 --> 00:29:14,820 are they just confused by us well these 711 00:29:18,110 --> 00:29:16,409 are actually increasing in population in 712 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:18,120 Australia we're very very lucky 713 00:29:22,399 --> 00:29:20,730 but it's the varroa mite is this tiny 714 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:22,409 little parasite that actually gets onto 715 00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:23,850 the back of bees and then gets spread 716 00:29:27,380 --> 00:29:25,049 around but we're really lucky in 717 00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:27,390 Australia but we haven't actually let 718 00:29:30,860 --> 00:29:29,520 that parasite into the country yet so 719 00:29:32,419 --> 00:29:30,870 that's it I thought there was a bit of a 720 00:29:34,010 --> 00:29:32,429 pesticide issue there as well here is 721 00:29:36,260 --> 00:29:34,020 there's pesticides yeah there's there's 722 00:29:38,539 --> 00:29:36,270 no mystery about it neonicotinoids which 723 00:29:40,610 --> 00:29:38,549 he used for canola and others actually 724 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:40,620 kill kill a lot and it's banned or 725 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:42,210 through the EU but we still use it for a 726 00:29:46,159 --> 00:29:44,970 canola farms in Australia Wow so don't 727 00:29:48,500 --> 00:29:46,169 bring these into the country people 728 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:48,510 we've got just nice ones here exactly 729 00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:50,130 we're very lucky to be in Ireland and 730 00:29:53,450 --> 00:29:52,080 somewhere he's lovely talking to you and 731 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:53,460 see you online see you then 732 00:30:01,310 --> 00:29:59,210 okay yeah because wandering around here 733 00:30:02,690 --> 00:30:01,320 we've been lucky enough to bump into dr. 734 00:30:04,340 --> 00:30:02,700 Karl we're just going to go to a quiet 735 00:30:06,019 --> 00:30:04,350 area here which is just behind the 736 00:30:08,629 --> 00:30:06,029 screens it's still pretty noisy but dr. 737 00:30:09,889 --> 00:30:08,639 Karl good to good to bump into dr. Karl 738 00:30:15,139 --> 00:30:09,899 how many science weeks do you think 739 00:30:18,109 --> 00:30:15,149 you've been to now probably 20 or so Wow 740 00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:18,119 since the very early days I think I like 741 00:30:21,259 --> 00:30:19,440 about science week is it lasts for about 742 00:30:22,940 --> 00:30:21,269 one and a half weeks or three weeks or a 743 00:30:24,590 --> 00:30:22,950 month or something there's a lot of fun 744 00:30:26,119 --> 00:30:24,600 that is true and I saw you on your 745 00:30:27,799 --> 00:30:26,129 Instagram account and I recommend people 746 00:30:28,879 --> 00:30:27,809 follow dr. Karl on Instagram account 747 00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:28,889 because you were giving a water bottle 748 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:30,720 to a Buddhist monk it looked like well 749 00:30:35,060 --> 00:30:32,970 I've spent the last month in Mongolia 750 00:30:38,659 --> 00:30:35,070 and Tibet and this amazing because 751 00:30:40,460 --> 00:30:38,669 firstly in Mongolia or babies are ugly 752 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:40,470 you're not allowed to say that a baby is 753 00:30:44,119 --> 00:30:42,210 pretty because firstly that will 754 00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:44,129 encourage the evil spirits to come and 755 00:30:49,129 --> 00:30:46,320 steal it and secondly it's an insult to 756 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:49,139 the parents because it's easy to love a 757 00:30:54,019 --> 00:30:51,570 pretty baby that it shows the true mark 758 00:30:56,479 --> 00:30:54,029 of a parent's love if they love an ugly 759 00:30:58,659 --> 00:30:56,489 baby and sigelei there's no such thing 760 00:31:00,889 --> 00:30:58,669 as Mongolian lamb into bed in Mongolia 761 00:31:02,539 --> 00:31:00,899 well we've had the speeches about the 762 00:31:04,129 --> 00:31:02,549 politicians we're the sponsors come out 763 00:31:05,419 --> 00:31:04,139 and say their thing which is important 764 00:31:07,340 --> 00:31:05,429 it's what goes on at these kind of 765 00:31:09,139 --> 00:31:07,350 things Carla did you like giving 766 00:31:10,399 --> 00:31:09,149 speeches structured speeches when you 767 00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:10,409 have to do this sort of thing sometimes 768 00:31:15,799 --> 00:31:13,440 the advantage of a structured speech is 769 00:31:18,590 --> 00:31:15,809 that you can say exactly what you really 770 00:31:21,499 --> 00:31:18,600 want to say in the right order with the 771 00:31:23,389 --> 00:31:21,509 right timing and the right cadence so of 772 00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:23,399 all the spontaneous speeches the 773 00:31:27,259 --> 00:31:25,919 prepared ones are the best thanks girl 774 00:31:29,090 --> 00:31:27,269 now you were saying you I've been 775 00:31:31,070 --> 00:31:29,100 through now I've just been reading a lot 776 00:31:32,479 --> 00:31:31,080 about Manchuria and how it changed hands 777 00:31:33,919 --> 00:31:32,489 with the Japanese and the Soviets and 778 00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:33,929 that kind of thing but it's not where 779 00:31:37,310 --> 00:31:35,519 you were you a bit more to the right of 780 00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:37,320 that area here we were up in genuine 781 00:31:43,009 --> 00:31:39,600 Mongolia and the amazing thing is that 782 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:43,019 the Mongolians invaded the world not 783 00:31:48,259 --> 00:31:45,690 once not twice but three times heard of 784 00:31:52,099 --> 00:31:48,269 Attila the Hun oh yeah he got to Germany 785 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:52,109 he was a Mongolian right and the genghis 786 00:31:57,019 --> 00:31:54,450 khan now announced jenga's or genghis 787 00:31:58,460 --> 00:31:57,029 chingus jingis i was just speaking for 788 00:31:59,539 --> 00:31:58,470 the australian audits but Chingiz so 789 00:32:02,050 --> 00:31:59,549 where's his term then mate you should 790 00:32:04,990 --> 00:32:02,060 know where's he's - nobody knows 791 00:32:07,660 --> 00:32:05,000 deliberately when he died he 792 00:32:10,180 --> 00:32:07,670 specifically asked that he be buried 793 00:32:13,180 --> 00:32:10,190 where nobody would ever find him because 794 00:32:17,140 --> 00:32:13,190 he wanted his legacy to be not him or 795 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:17,150 his tomb but rather the nation that he 796 00:32:21,340 --> 00:32:19,730 left behind and so the Mongolians who 797 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:21,350 buried him then killed everybody they 798 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:22,610 came across so there'd be no 799 00:32:27,850 --> 00:32:24,650 recollection and nobody would ever tell 800 00:32:30,490 --> 00:32:27,860 the story so he's gone and he built an 801 00:32:32,410 --> 00:32:30,500 empire that was twice the size of 802 00:32:34,900 --> 00:32:32,420 Alexander the Great's four times the 803 00:32:36,340 --> 00:32:34,910 size of the Roman Empire and they 804 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:36,350 reached all the way across to the 805 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:40,250 village of crucial Natsuki in somewhere 806 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:43,370 between Warsaw and Kiev and as a result 807 00:32:49,930 --> 00:32:46,730 I like eight percent of all Asian men 808 00:32:51,970 --> 00:32:49,940 have Chinggis Khaan DNA that's pretty 809 00:32:53,410 --> 00:32:51,980 hot now were they big on science 810 00:32:56,290 --> 00:32:53,420 development but or were they just sort 811 00:32:58,960 --> 00:32:56,300 of agrarian people with horses the 812 00:33:02,830 --> 00:32:58,970 latter but with a good news a good 813 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:02,840 knowledge of psychology and as I said 814 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:05,210 they killed nine one not one in every 815 00:33:10,390 --> 00:33:07,250 nine people on earth to build that huge 816 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:10,400 empire but he also did good things like 817 00:33:16,150 --> 00:33:12,770 he banned I'm sorry to say yeah he 818 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:16,160 banned kidnapping of brides because his 819 00:33:20,500 --> 00:33:17,810 own bride was kidnapped when he was 16 820 00:33:23,230 --> 00:33:20,510 and this led to division in the country 821 00:33:24,970 --> 00:33:23,240 he brought in the first postal service 822 00:33:26,860 --> 00:33:24,980 that went all the way across the 823 00:33:29,410 --> 00:33:26,870 Mongolian Empire he brought in the 824 00:33:32,890 --> 00:33:29,420 concept that representatives of other 825 00:33:35,410 --> 00:33:32,900 countries should be protected and it's 826 00:33:38,020 --> 00:33:35,420 called sometimes Mongolian law that an 827 00:33:39,820 --> 00:33:38,030 ambassador from another country is free 828 00:33:41,770 --> 00:33:39,830 of the laws of the country that he or 829 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:41,780 she happens to be in diplomatic immunity 830 00:33:48,610 --> 00:33:43,850 yeah and he also brought in the world's 831 00:33:51,490 --> 00:33:48,620 first trade a free zone where there were 832 00:33:53,860 --> 00:33:51,500 no duties paid within a trade empire so 833 00:33:55,900 --> 00:33:53,870 he did bad things sure and he did good 834 00:33:57,850 --> 00:33:55,910 things sure 835 00:34:00,760 --> 00:33:57,860 and it was powered this is amazing thing 836 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:00,770 for me by grass so you directly go 837 00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:02,930 across Mongolia and there's just grass 838 00:34:08,500 --> 00:34:05,120 everywhere and the grass got eaten by 839 00:34:10,540 --> 00:34:08,510 the ungulates the animals with four 840 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:10,550 stomachs a bunch of stomachs so the 841 00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:12,650 Sheep the goats and the horses and the 842 00:34:18,940 --> 00:34:15,679 camels and they used these animals to 843 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:18,950 then create the largest land Empire the 844 00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:21,050 world has ever known and of course in 845 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:22,730 the way these things had crumbled away 846 00:34:26,169 --> 00:34:24,290 and got taken over by other empires 847 00:34:28,060 --> 00:34:26,179 further down the line now wouldn't they 848 00:34:29,710 --> 00:34:28,070 been a bit scared of lightning because 849 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:29,720 there's no trees on the plain and if 850 00:34:34,210 --> 00:34:31,010 you're the tallest thing don't you get 851 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:34,220 hit in general yes I don't know what I 852 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:35,810 haven't read about their feelings about 853 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:38,570 lightning though I love their clothing 854 00:34:42,610 --> 00:34:39,650 they still wear their clothing the 855 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:42,620 country's district or 3 million 856 00:34:47,830 --> 00:34:46,130 population about 1/8 of Australia but 857 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:47,840 instead of a gross national domestic 858 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:50,570 product of 15 hundred billion like we 859 00:34:55,810 --> 00:34:53,330 have or 1/8 of it say 200 billion 860 00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:55,820 they've got 40 so this is a dual economy 861 00:34:59,260 --> 00:34:57,440 you've got very rich people and very 862 00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:59,270 poor people like South America no but 863 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:01,520 you've got massive corruption so when 864 00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:04,010 one of the big mining companies came in 865 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:07,250 instead of paying for the royalties for 866 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:10,370 all the rituals are taking out what they 867 00:35:14,770 --> 00:35:12,290 did was sign an agreement that further 868 00:35:17,830 --> 00:35:14,780 down the line they would make a loan to 869 00:35:19,210 --> 00:35:17,840 the Mongolian government right I mean 870 00:35:21,220 --> 00:35:19,220 they can get that loan from a bank it 871 00:35:23,260 --> 00:35:21,230 sucks that's a pretty poor jail 872 00:35:25,090 --> 00:35:23,270 it's a terrible deal but the people are 873 00:35:26,590 --> 00:35:25,100 quite happy and for me they're really 874 00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:26,600 other big the other really big surprise 875 00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:28,310 besides the fact that all babies are 876 00:35:33,340 --> 00:35:31,760 ugly and that men understate their age 877 00:35:35,020 --> 00:35:33,350 to appear more manly while women 878 00:35:37,060 --> 00:35:35,030 overstate their age to be this 879 00:35:40,020 --> 00:35:37,070 attractive to the other gender is that 880 00:35:42,430 --> 00:35:40,030 Mongolian lamb does not exist as a dish 881 00:35:44,830 --> 00:35:42,440 yeah bit like all the Chinese dishes as 882 00:35:47,860 --> 00:35:44,840 well that we have you know they exist 883 00:35:48,339 --> 00:35:47,870 only on Western menus right so Mongolian 884 00:35:50,259 --> 00:35:48,349 lamb 885 00:35:53,710 --> 00:35:50,269 which is the thin slices of meat about 886 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:53,720 an inch bar across maybe 25 millimeters 887 00:35:59,799 --> 00:35:56,930 it's a highly crisped fried and served 888 00:36:02,170 --> 00:35:59,809 in a very hot cast-iron tray which then 889 00:36:05,650 --> 00:36:02,180 sits in a wooden tray that is actually a 890 00:36:09,219 --> 00:36:05,660 Korean dish Mongolian lamb exists but 891 00:36:10,930 --> 00:36:09,229 it's sort of like boiled lamb in some 892 00:36:12,249 --> 00:36:10,940 kind of soup and pretty well everything 893 00:36:13,979 --> 00:36:12,259 you get is like that 894 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:13,989 I want to occasionally try to get 895 00:36:23,499 --> 00:36:17,450 fatigue reducing te it turned out to be 896 00:36:24,940 --> 00:36:23,509 really salty fatty lamb broth yeah but 897 00:36:26,589 --> 00:36:24,950 on the other hand the people are quite 898 00:36:28,210 --> 00:36:26,599 happy maybe they have a sort of a 899 00:36:29,859 --> 00:36:28,220 superstition there was something that 900 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:29,869 you picked up on a local sort of whoo 901 00:36:34,660 --> 00:36:31,729 that that they believe in they've got 902 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:34,670 many they believe that the land is alive 903 00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:36,890 there an animal society and the land 904 00:36:41,859 --> 00:36:40,160 must be protected they also a strongly 905 00:36:45,069 --> 00:36:41,869 Buddhist which changes their thinking as 906 00:36:46,509 --> 00:36:45,079 well do they have the the man-eating 907 00:36:48,940 --> 00:36:46,519 earth one is that the one that is there 908 00:36:50,769 --> 00:36:48,950 the Mongolian eating worm that pops up 909 00:36:52,299 --> 00:36:50,779 out of the ground and it's a monster 910 00:36:54,370 --> 00:36:52,309 thing is that there's I think that 911 00:36:59,049 --> 00:36:54,380 belongs in the movie or the book dude 912 00:37:00,430 --> 00:36:59,059 quite frank again movies crating the 913 00:37:02,349 --> 00:37:00,440 whole thing is that the most fascinating 914 00:37:05,769 --> 00:37:02,359 country have been to currently been to 915 00:37:06,910 --> 00:37:05,779 many yeah it's the last one I went to so 916 00:37:08,469 --> 00:37:06,920 this was the most fascinating well 917 00:37:10,209 --> 00:37:08,479 actually the last almost a bit which is 918 00:37:11,529 --> 00:37:10,219 also more fascinating so they're all 919 00:37:13,749 --> 00:37:11,539 different in their own ways a 920 00:37:15,819 --> 00:37:13,759 desperately poor country being ripped 921 00:37:18,190 --> 00:37:15,829 off by big companies will find their own 922 00:37:20,259 --> 00:37:18,200 way and here's a weird thing in general 923 00:37:23,499 --> 00:37:20,269 the women are more highly educated than 924 00:37:25,299 --> 00:37:23,509 the men because the men and a women need 925 00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:25,309 to be catered for in her later lives by 926 00:37:28,450 --> 00:37:26,960 their parents and the parents always 927 00:37:30,609 --> 00:37:28,460 think that the key the guys can always 928 00:37:32,229 --> 00:37:30,619 go and dig a ditch so the men the women 929 00:37:35,140 --> 00:37:32,239 not being so good at digging ditches 930 00:37:37,150 --> 00:37:35,150 they get university education so the 931 00:37:54,970 --> 00:37:37,160 women tend to be more educated than the 932 00:38:02,329 --> 00:37:58,609 20:18 bent spoon your jets to nominate 933 00:38:03,829 --> 00:38:02,339 an unworthy winner again this comes to 934 00:38:06,290 --> 00:38:03,839 us from the Australian skeptics at 935 00:38:10,300 --> 00:38:06,300 skeptics comdata you written by Tim 936 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:10,310 Mendham published on the 31st of July 937 00:38:16,130 --> 00:38:13,650 the Australian skeptics bent spoon Ward 938 00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:16,140 is one of the least sought-after credits 939 00:38:21,230 --> 00:38:19,200 in the skeptical world or any world for 940 00:38:24,770 --> 00:38:21,240 that matter it has been awarded every 941 00:38:26,810 --> 00:38:24,780 year since 1982 and it recognizes the 942 00:38:29,150 --> 00:38:26,820 perpetrator of the most preposterous 943 00:38:32,420 --> 00:38:29,160 piece of paranormal or pseudo scientific 944 00:38:35,390 --> 00:38:32,430 people luminaries who have been past 945 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:35,400 winners include paleo Pete Evans Larry 946 00:38:42,319 --> 00:38:40,290 Marshall head of the CSIRO RMIT Julie Y 947 00:38:45,410 --> 00:38:42,329 Lehman and the University of Wollongong 948 00:38:49,730 --> 00:38:45,420 Merrill Dory and the AVN also known as 949 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:49,740 the APS n now the AV are in the 950 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:52,650 pharmacies of Australia and a psychic 951 00:38:57,380 --> 00:38:55,410 dentist nominations come from the public 952 00:39:00,020 --> 00:38:57,390 and this year we have received 953 00:39:02,329 --> 00:39:00,030 nominations for the Therapeutic Goods 954 00:39:03,770 --> 00:39:02,339 Administration and the Australian 955 00:39:06,559 --> 00:39:03,780 government for their list of quote 956 00:39:08,300 --> 00:39:06,569 permissible indications unquote how to 957 00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:08,310 create a list of the most ridiculous 958 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:10,800 medical conditions inhibited water 959 00:39:14,839 --> 00:39:11,490 anyone 960 00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:14,849 Sarah's Stevenson for her Sarah's Day 961 00:39:20,809 --> 00:39:17,760 podcast in which she claims to have cued 962 00:39:23,809 --> 00:39:20,819 a precancerous condition with a plethora 963 00:39:26,510 --> 00:39:23,819 of supplements and dose of Prayer and 964 00:39:30,319 --> 00:39:26,520 her naturopaths seal of approval 965 00:39:32,420 --> 00:39:30,329 guava thruster fins for surfboards where 966 00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:32,430 the design will pull you through the 967 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:35,250 water defying all the rules of physics 968 00:39:40,220 --> 00:39:37,770 we would love to hear from any other 969 00:39:42,170 --> 00:39:40,230 noteworthy candidates if you'd like to 970 00:39:44,540 --> 00:39:42,180 put someone forward for this non 971 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:44,550 prestigious award and go to the bent 972 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:49,650 spoon page at www.viki common on how to 973 00:39:54,750 --> 00:39:51,810 enter details on the current nominees 974 00:39:57,870 --> 00:39:54,760 and a list of past winners 975 00:39:59,370 --> 00:39:57,880 the winner of the 2018 bent spoon will 976 00:40:00,780 --> 00:39:59,380 be announced at skeptic on the 977 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:00,790 Australian skeptics National Convention 978 00:40:07,500 --> 00:40:03,490 in Sydney on October the 13th and the 979 00:40:09,900 --> 00:40:07,510 14th nominations closed early in October 980 00:40:12,090 --> 00:40:09,910 so there you are folks if you're in 981 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:12,100 Australia and you want to nominate 982 00:40:16,500 --> 00:40:14,170 somebody for the bent spoon go right 983 00:40:17,820 --> 00:40:16,510 ahead and you feel coming to skeptical 984 00:40:20,580 --> 00:40:17,830 later in the year you can have the 985 00:40:24,450 --> 00:40:20,590 thrill of being in the audience when the 986 00:40:46,940 --> 00:40:24,460 winner is announced don't forget to 987 00:40:49,740 --> 00:40:46,950 bring your spoons once again it was the 988 00:40:52,140 --> 00:40:49,750 great pleasure of myself and Maynard the 989 00:40:54,030 --> 00:40:52,150 head for the Australian Museum here in 990 00:40:56,270 --> 00:40:54,040 Sydney to perform the mystery 991 00:40:59,490 --> 00:40:56,280 investigators the science outreach show 992 00:41:02,910 --> 00:40:59,500 designed for primary school and high 993 00:41:05,220 --> 00:41:02,920 school students we have been doing this 994 00:41:07,890 --> 00:41:05,230 now for many years in the house from the 995 00:41:10,910 --> 00:41:07,900 theater at the Australian Museum water 996 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:10,920 divining bed of nails optical illusions 997 00:41:18,599 --> 00:41:15,490 all sorts of mysteries and fun and games 998 00:41:22,290 --> 00:41:18,609 while the kids poured in the room was 999 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:22,300 packed and I'd started the show with an 1000 00:41:27,210 --> 00:41:24,490 old favorite something the kids don't 1001 00:41:33,339 --> 00:41:27,220 know about really good old good old 1002 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:36,020 that's how easily need to be trippin 1003 00:41:42,450 --> 00:41:36,850 fool 1004 00:41:42,460 --> 00:41:51,750 [Music] 1005 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:56,140 [Applause] 1006 00:42:00,709 --> 00:41:58,759 of course the kids wanted to come up and 1007 00:42:02,659 --> 00:42:00,719 get the other spoon and look at an exam 1008 00:42:04,729 --> 00:42:02,669 in the mall which is great I guess 1009 00:42:06,229 --> 00:42:04,739 they're just being skeptical but spoon 1010 00:42:09,679 --> 00:42:06,239 bending is an important lesson because 1011 00:42:12,319 --> 00:42:09,689 it teaches us that what even our 1012 00:42:16,429 --> 00:42:12,329 grandparents thought was wonderful and a 1013 00:42:18,319 --> 00:42:16,439 miracle is just a simple illusion much 1014 00:42:20,899 --> 00:42:18,329 later on in the show comes the old 1015 00:42:31,759 --> 00:42:20,909 favorite another old favorite the bed of 1016 00:42:35,899 --> 00:42:31,769 nails so I lie down carefully on the bed 1017 00:42:43,230 --> 00:42:35,909 of nails main arts making a fuss behind 1018 00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:58,000 [Music] 1019 00:43:03,790 --> 00:43:00,710 of course what happens is Maynard climbs 1020 00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:03,800 on my back and plays the trombone 1021 00:43:09,470 --> 00:43:06,000 standing on my back while I'm lying on 1022 00:43:10,730 --> 00:43:09,480 the bed of nails never fails to get lots 1023 00:43:12,350 --> 00:43:10,740 of applause and laughter from the 1024 00:43:14,140 --> 00:43:12,360 students but again we make the 1025 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:14,150 scientific point about pressure and 1026 00:43:26,700 --> 00:43:25,110 thank you again to Australia Museum and 1027 00:43:40,970 --> 00:43:26,710 thanks to all the kids who came along to 1028 00:43:59,140 --> 00:43:43,720 [Applause] 1029 00:44:05,420 --> 00:44:02,569 hi this is dr. Pamela gay from astronomy 1030 00:44:07,309 --> 00:44:05,430 cast each week Fraser Cain and I take 1031 00:44:09,529 --> 00:44:07,319 our listeners on a fact-based journey 1032 00:44:12,259 --> 00:44:09,539 through the cosmos with our weekly 1033 00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:12,269 podcast we explain not just what we know 1034 00:44:17,930 --> 00:44:15,089 but how we know what we know about this 1035 00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:17,940 universe that we share check us out at 1036 00:44:22,789 --> 00:44:20,400 astronomy cast calm and look for us in 1037 00:44:29,380 --> 00:44:22,799 itunes google play and wherever you 1038 00:44:29,390 --> 00:44:41,140 [Music] 1039 00:44:45,140 --> 00:44:43,460 thank you for listening to the skeptic 1040 00:44:48,050 --> 00:44:45,150 zone now next week we're going to bring 1041 00:44:49,940 --> 00:44:48,060 you part two of our Maenads spooky 1042 00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:49,950 action at the Australian Museum where is 1043 00:44:55,100 --> 00:44:52,560 interviewing lots of people so dr. Karl 1044 00:44:57,140 --> 00:44:55,110 interview part 2 plus lots of other 1045 00:44:58,820 --> 00:44:57,150 people who were there at the 9th which 1046 00:45:02,480 --> 00:44:58,830 we couldn't fit into this week's episode 1047 00:45:03,860 --> 00:45:02,490 also I'll bring you a report from speed 1048 00:45:06,170 --> 00:45:03,870 meet the scientists night at the 1049 00:45:08,270 --> 00:45:06,180 powerhouse museum together with some 1050 00:45:10,580 --> 00:45:08,280 interviews including Kate brown the 1051 00:45:12,140 --> 00:45:10,590 journalist and Alethea Dean from the 1052 00:45:16,610 --> 00:45:12,150 Australian skeptics to talk more about 1053 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:16,620 the upcoming skeptic on 2018 thank you 1054 00:45:20,090 --> 00:45:17,970 to those people who chip into the 1055 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:20,100 skeptic CERN at patreon or PayPal 1056 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:22,530 I've been endeavouring to put up more 1057 00:45:26,690 --> 00:45:24,930 content at patreon actually little 1058 00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:26,700 snippets and bits and pieces to keep 1059 00:45:31,610 --> 00:45:28,710 that more interesting but all your 1060 00:45:35,780 --> 00:45:31,620 contributions mean the show keeps going 1061 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:35,790 if you stop supporting the show the show 1062 00:45:38,420 --> 00:45:38,130 will stop and we don't want that to 1063 00:45:40,010 --> 00:45:38,430 happen 1064 00:45:42,500 --> 00:45:40,020 well maybe we do no we don't want that 1065 00:45:44,450 --> 00:45:42,510 to happen so thank you very much and 1066 00:45:45,950 --> 00:45:44,460 thank you to my new patreon over the 1067 00:45:48,610 --> 00:45:45,960 last couple of weeks 1068 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:48,620 welcome aboard much appreciated and 1069 00:45:52,850 --> 00:45:50,970 because people have been requesting it 1070 00:45:57,260 --> 00:45:52,860 we're going to do one dice game this is 1071 00:46:00,110 --> 00:45:57,270 where I roll a die and you use your you 1072 00:46:02,180 --> 00:46:00,120 use your psychic powers to predict the 1073 00:46:03,410 --> 00:46:02,190 answer which is in the past because by 1074 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:03,420 the time you've heard this I've already 1075 00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:05,130 rolled the dice but you haven't heard it 1076 00:46:11,330 --> 00:46:06,720 yet so it's in your future for it that 1077 00:46:13,490 --> 00:46:11,340 won't be different today today's mystery 1078 00:46:16,010 --> 00:46:13,500 number will be between one and a 1079 00:46:19,850 --> 00:46:16,020 thousand and I achieved that by rolling 1080 00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:19,860 a ten sided die three times hmm all 1081 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:20,880 right here we go 1082 00:46:27,590 --> 00:46:23,930 so use your psychic powers predict 1083 00:46:31,700 --> 00:46:27,600 predict that number between 1 and 1000 1084 00:46:41,330 --> 00:46:31,710 here we go have you got your number the 1085 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:41,340 number will be 442 so if you've got 442 1086 00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:44,970 well done but for this week write to 1087 00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:46,560 that again for fun for this week this is 1088 00:46:53,410 --> 00:46:48,720 Richard Saunders signing off from Sydney 1089 00:46:59,590 --> 00:46:55,910 you've been listening to the skeptic 1090 00:47:04,580 --> 00:46:59,600 zone podcast please visit our website at 1091 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:04,590 WWDC because shownotes contacts and to 1092 00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:07,290 access the bat catalog of episodes going 1093 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:11,040 back to 2008 you can follow the skeptic 1094 00:47:16,580 --> 00:47:13,850 zone podcast on twitter at skeptic zone 1095 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:16,590 visit our facebook page or leave a 1096 00:47:22,970 --> 00:47:20,010 review on iTunes you can also support 1097 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:22,980 the skeptic zone via patreon or PayPal 1098 00:47:28,070 --> 00:47:25,410 the skeptic zone podcast is an 1099 00:47:29,900 --> 00:47:28,080 independent production reviews and 1100 00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:29,910 opinions expressed on the skeptic zone 1101 00:47:34,700 --> 00:47:32,160 are not necessarily those of Australian 1102 00:47:35,570 --> 00:47:34,710 skeptics or any other sceptical 1103 00:47:46,100 --> 00:47:35,580 organisation 1104 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:48,300 now all right you people who listen 1105 00:47:54,300 --> 00:47:50,410 after the music predict again this will